Senseradio: week 2

elke van campenhout -- Mon 21 Sep 2009

I'm not sure about these plants and youngsters. Is the one not just trying to survive, being constructive I can't see you anymore...in the sense of spinoza, and the other one going against his best interest, destructive? I think they need each other

Nature doesn't have any Ends but produces effects infinitivey well it does have a striving, a drive to survive, which produces movement (turning to the sun), is that's poetic I like it that only an effect or a potential affect: affects and effects , it sounds the same

non le mouvement c'est l'affect, non? effect is static? effect is a retroactive thought... consciousnesswhat would then be the affect of an effect?? the effect of an affect might be the point reconstructed out of the movement, as in massumi/zeno: the point of recognition of what the movement produced. maybe the same as the emotion recognized and re-... something.

I think it's easier to think the "plants" as an possible self sustained system. But it is not easier because there is no emotions? this is a back fall in the previous discussion. Sorry... I mean it... yes

if all is made of the same substance, no IS the same substance, we share the affective drive. maybe plants don't have emotions (because not conscious reflection) yes but the affect/movement we share.

plants think where?how? no, i mean where? in their pots in the moment of growing/moving? yes in their desire to grow. I have an orchidea that has more roots then plant and is decided to survive.

because everything is an individual thinking its individualisation (in real time)

but can a plant go against its drive for construction, can a plant 'choose' the 'sad' option? Bonzais can... neither human beings can't "choose" anything

they only look sad to us. it's a matter of perspective.I have a story. We gave our bonzai to the neighbour because we had to much ambition in trying to take well care of such fragil plant... yeah yeah yeah well after a week the almost dead bonzai was green and big...

bonza¨i think less because they are less complex than me you we is a bonzai nature or culture? or a perfect example of the undecideability of this question? is a bonsai a bonsai when not cut up to be a bonsai? do bonsais exist in 'nature'? no NOor may be yes because they exist in imagination which is a kind of body too

amazingly the woman left a week and the bonsai was almost dead again... (just to finish this complex relation what's your point? I forgot...real time is my point real bonza¨i time Or real neighbor time

what is the idea of real time for a bonza¨i?? it is hard to talk about 'real' time when the time zones confluence (past present future) time is just a tool to create history we are dealing most of the time of this reading with virtual time as i understand it : the time of potential. . for a bonza¨i may be eternity???why? because he's eastern? ideas, ideas, ideas,a kind of eternal potentiality or may be I am talking about any body ?? the potential to stay small or once upon a time to grow up?

I like the idea of having several times, dynamics at the same time. It is for sure not linear even though it looks likehow does this relate to your idea of choreography, she asked professionally.Oh I think it has to do with breaking narratives. I do think a lot about rytms of existance and transformation

choreography is about to write movement. paradoxical, no?? writing, fixing, cristallazing and moving in the same concept It's about learning. The practice of something makes that thing exist.

Do you need dance classes? YES just for fun

that's not the same thing. choreography and dance classes are like geography and sketching lessons. no. compass walking. dance classes are about different ways to position the body...

from my perspective, the nature of affect and choreography are fundamentally the same YES

choreography is about different ways to position time/space, time-space. what is good about it is that you can stop time while moving when does time come to a standstill? is that possible? when you forget about it. meaning you don't know anymore how long you've been there. but if choreography is affect is time, is this not exactly the moment time comes to itself: in recognition, embracing of its own potential (breaking out of the grid of progress). That is not timewhat is it then? Time comes after I think. Or the notion of time.

I am lost in translation between space and time...you can help us out here: is in relativity theory time not the same thing as space? how does that work? Dont't know I am more into infinite number of dimensions than only 4.all right but if we start with the basics? I was bluffing... 4?

something about a curved time-space. Is that the sound of the coffe machine? no..., of the ... sorry... I had a black out...what is the black-out if we consider it out of our thinking about time? a regression? a progression? a blanking out of the present?more like a momentanée transformation, a place (which is not a place actually) for radical metamorphose

an anti or out of consciousness, a resistance, a strike may be.. or a dor a stroke ah ahahahahahha

an unconscious metamorphosis? of what? of the self into space too abstract: I think we experience black outs in our normal experience of life, everytime everywhere is a black out, we live a continuous black out, we live from black out to black out, from black out to black out... I am a black out. Do you???

what space what self? My self in the depts of the ocean But this is already afterwards...a non existance death..

the ocean as the big nothing? the vertiginous void? yes I feel it peaceful

i understand it as a frozen state, more arctic than pleasurable.white if we live our life in a black-out i'm frozen out of time. but we don't live in a black out. we have black outs it's like short circuits and if the short circuits were the very texture of our life; or the idea oo ;.. or ... or ... sorry , I had again a black out... yes but he IS a black-out Who?

the guy in the corner. Wait... you are a black out with a lot of light! an enlightened black-out.

get off it!

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Senseradio: week 2